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Welcome to the LDSIG wiki!

This wiki organizes things around a given subject, and makes it very easy to edit and post that content together as a community. Over time the information will build up until we have a tremendous encylopedia of layout design knowledge. The wiki allows this knowledge and discusssion to not get lost over time.

The forum is a stream of consciousness discussion more like a bull session online, and it has its own energy that can be fun and useful. But it's more here today and gone tomorrow.

Both the forum and now the new wiki have their places. We need a place to have online bull sessions and to get charged up from the energy such discussions create. We need a bulletin board where we can post notices on the fly. The forum is the best format for this kind of thing.

But if someone posts something really great to the forum and it's some knowledge we feel ought to be captured, I encourage you to come over to the wiki and post it so it becomes a part of our encylopedia of knowledge.

By working together on this wiki, we are going to have a repository of layout design insight online that was only a pipe dream a few years ago!

joef 02:16, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

LDSIG Webmaster

Welcome to the new LDSIG Wiki!

Webmaster Joe Fugate has stepped into his new role with gusto, and this is but the first of many improvements we'll be seeing over the next year or two.

As Joe has stated, a wiki is a structure that allows pages to be edited by everyone, not just a select few. Edited changes are also posted immediately, not when Ye Webmaster gets time for it.

You will find that some pages cannot be edited by everyone. Think for a moment, and you'll realize that the [Bylaws] gotta stay put, and notes on upcoming local events should probably stay under the control of the event organizers. Wikis can also be rolled back to a previous version, so there's minimal concern about valdalism or accidental deletion. Please let the Webmaster or a page host know if you see this.

While only a pilot project at this point, we expect the wiki to grow and include most of the LDSIG's online presence. Permit me to invite members to also become a part of the process, and post additional pages or updates whenever you see the opportunity. We may work with small trains, but we've all got some big ideas about how to do so. Let's share so that we can, "Make only new mistakes."

Bruce Metcalf,
President 13:46, 9 June 2006 (PDT)

Testing by Joe B

Hi, I'm just catching up on my mail after being up in the hills of NC for two weeks. No I am not a new Eric Rudolf, we were hiking and I got in about 4 rounds of golf. So now I am catching up on my e-mail and found Joe's message about the LDSIG wiki so i am trying it out. So far so good.

Joebrann 15:03, 11 June 2006 (PDT)



I noticed that many of the pages pre-posted here, especially in the LDSIG Prmer bear copyright notices.

The normal practice in a cooperative Wiki is to allow free editing, which is not lawful where the material to be edited is copyrighted. Thus, most wikis allow posting only under "copyleft" using some form of the GNU license.

This seems to be in conflict with your Project Copyrights page.

How will that be treated here?

GreatWizard 20:31, 12 June 2006 (PDT)

Copyright issue


Yes the copyright issue is one we have yet to resolve. Originally, the content authors for the Primer were hept to copyright their articles.

I'm with you, the idea of copyrighting your content and posting it online in a wiki are out of alignment. But we are still in the experimental stages with this wiki and have yet to come to a final concensus on the copyright issue.

In the meantime, if you click the disclaimers link in the footer, you will see it says if you don't explicitly copyright what you post, the SIG owns it. I'm hoping we move away from copywritten content in the wiki and agree to work as a community to build some really great layout design knowledge online.

joef 08:52, 13 June 2006 (PDT)



I still have a problem with "if you don't copyright your work, the LDSIG owns it." That just moves the copyright issue from one entity to another. Why does anyone have to OWN it?

See: or and also

Under both US and Berne Convention copyright rules, it is a violation of copyright to edit or modify a copyrighted work wthout the express authority of the copyright holder, whether that's an individual or a corporate entity like LDSIG.

If this is to be a true wiki and not just a substitute for the Yahoo discussion group, LDSIG needs to confront and make a policy on this issue.


More on copyright


You are right, the LDSIG needs to take a stand on this issue regarding the wiki. I think something similar to what Wikipedia has done with their "copyleft" rights is appropriate, but we'll need to come to a concensus in the LDSIG leadership and Primer contributors on this issue.

So far, the trend has been to be protective with the Primer content. My vote would be to open it up to the betterment of the hobby and take a "copyleft" stand, which basically says your are free to use it as long as you credit it properly.

If our real goal in not to build a fiefdom, but to build the world's best online layout design knowledge repository, then "open" is the way to realize it.

The discussion has yet to be conducted, however. But with things like the wiki now coming on the scene, this discussion will have to commence soon, I would think.

joef 12:21, 13 June 2006 (PDT)

RR-Track Software

Greetings all:

I am new to this website, but the topic is one that is of immediate interest to me. I have just created a layout (my first) and am interested in preparing a clear description of it for others to critique. I seem to be going about this the wrong way: I first build the layout and then want to plan it. But the final result should be the same: a complete layout and a complete plan.

I just learned about a software package called RR-Track and would appreciate any comments that others may have about it - strengths, weaknesses, nice features, difficulties, etc.

My apologies if this is not an appropriate topic for this discussion.

Nosweat 20:10, 11 January 2007 (PST)

Best place for discussions


First, welcome to the LD SIG knowledgebase web site!

Actually, this wiki is more of a library that a discussion site. The LD SIG discussion forum is located here. I recommend you go post your question there ... you should get lots of responses right away.

joef 00:19, 12 January 2007 (PST)

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